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+# Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-08-10
+
+## Links
+
+* **Audio Recording**: TBP
+* **GitHub Issue**: [#8030](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8030)
+* **Minutes Google Doc**: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L65L7qhX5MrGeFwrub4-Z8klrwxJym-Q8CIEZsedohE>
+* _Previous Minutes Google Doc: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufR5dNuN3JLmFPvCvLYGRa98_-eqy5yY3zJuTnT60K8>_
+
+
+
+## Present
+
+* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
+* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
+* Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC)
+* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
+* Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC)
+* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
+* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
+* Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation)
+* James M Snell @jasnell (CTC)
+* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
+* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
+* Brian White @mscdex (CTC)
+* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
+* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (observer/IBM)
+* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
+* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)
+
+
+## Standup
+
+* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
+  * Issues/PR review
+* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
+  * Came up with overhauled plan for Module moving forward
+* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
+  * A bit more work on the ecosystem detection tool
+  * Mostly comments, nothing significant
+  * Will file a docs linting PR soon — needs some final cleanup
+* Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC)
+  * Reviewing issues and PRs
+  * Working on the v6.4.0 release
+* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
+  * some more commit validation work
+  * backport pr for worker.exitedAfterDisconnect to v4.x
+* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
+  * Nothing in particular
+* Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation)
+* James M Snell @jasnell (CTC)
+  * Going through PRs/Issues
+  * More exploration of possibility of HTTP/2 impl in core
+  * Other miscellaneous things
+* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
+  * meetings notes
+  * review some issues
+* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
+  * adding linxuOne release machine to the release CI, and getting linuxOne added to release job so that we get nightlies for that platform
+  * configuring new AIX machines from osuosl, adding to CI and validating with AIX build jobs that they look good.  Working to get added to regular regression jobs.
+  * Working on build wg, FIPs and post-mortem presentations for Node interactive Europe 
+  * Landing a few PRs
+  * Reading/commenting on issues
+  * Participation in LTS and Build WGs
+  * ABI stable API PoC
+* Brian White @mscdex (CTC)
+  * Reviewing PRs, commenting on issues
+* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
+  * v8_inspector updates, V8 backports, writing up a doc on maintaining V8
+* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (observer/IBM)
+  * v4.5.0 testing (potential regression)
+  * ABI Smoke Testing Job
+  * Landing V8 5.1 on v6.x
+  * junit reporters for CI with Johann
+* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
+  * PR reviews
+  * Vacation most of the week
+* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)
+  * onboarded @fhinkel
+  * minor work on tests
+  * ESLint update, minor indentation rule update
+* Steven Loomis (Observer)
+  * Asked me to pass on his regrets as he’s on vacation.
+  * He’s been working on more Intl related items.
+
+
+## Agenda
+
+Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting.
+
+### nodejs/node
+
+* v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688)
+* buffer: hard-deprecate Buffer constructor [#7152](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7152)
+* Revert "fs: add a temporary fix for re-evaluation support" [#6413](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6413)
+* errors: add internal/errors module [#6573](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6573)
+* Introduce staging branch for stable release streams [#6306](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/6306)
+
+### nodejs/node-eps
+
+* proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28)
+
+### general
+
+* discussion: CommonJS and ES6 modules interoperability (<https://gist.github.com/bmeck/52ee45e7c34d1eac44ce8c5fe436d753>)
+
+
+## Previous Meeting
+
+### nodejs/node
+
+* CTC membership nomination: @addaleax [#7607](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7607)
+* Revert fs changes [#7846](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7846)
+* [meta] realpath issues in v6 [#7726](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7726)
+* v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688)
+* build: drop support for VS 2013 in v7 [#7484](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7484)
+  * New issue specifically for v6: [#7989](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7989)
+* http: don't inherit from Object.prototype [#6102](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6102)
+
+### nodejs/node-eps
+
+* proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28)
+
+## Minutes
+
+### v4.5.0 proposal [#7688](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7688)
+
+@thealphanerd: investigating problem with Bower, may delay release, if so will notify everyone.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* As above.
+
+---
+
+### buffer: hard-deprecate Buffer constructor [#7152](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7152)
+
+@trevnorris: In the future the Buffer function will need to be a proper class so that `iterate` can return a buffer and so that users can inherit from Buffer.
+
+Enabling inheritance forces the use of `new`. Thus it will break anyone who uses `Buffer` without the `new` keyword.
+
+@evanlucas: Wasn’t there a way around that?
+Perhaps with use of @@species symbol, but still doesn’t remove the fact that we’ll need to remove the `new` keyword at some point.
+
+@addaleax: We could work around using `Reflect` API and check if call was made with `new` or not. There were perf concerns, @RReverser worked on something (see <https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7152#discussion_r74932064>).
+
+@evanlucas: Can we do that and just soft-deprecate not using `new`?
+
+@jasnell: We should absolutely *not* deprecate `new Buffer(...)`.
+
+@chalker: [Deprecating `new Buffer()` will force libraries to work around this in 0.10, 0.12, and LTS <4.4, doesn’t sound like a good thing to do now.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Continue discussion in GitHub.
+* Finalize decision next week.
+
+---
+
+### Revert "fs: add a temporary fix for re-evaluation support" [#6413](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6413)
+
+Do we land the revert?
+
+@chalker: This is going to break modules, notably those which depend on `graceful-fs`, including `gulp` and `unzip` (there’s another unzip module people use, unzip is not updated for a long time and its usage is rapidly decreasing), other inactive modules.
+
+gulp will update `graceful-fs` Gulp v4. Gulp accounts for 42% of usage of `graceful-fs`. Gulp doesn’t want to update `graceful-fs` in v3 because it's a semver-major change, wants to wait for semver-major update till v4.
+
+@jasnell: If we keep it as is I don’t think the modules are going to get fixed.
+
+@thealphanerd: if gulp v3 isn’t updated then it will continue to cause problems for people through v7 lifetime. Can gulp do something to make this easier on the community?
+
+@thealphanerd will follow up with gulp project leads about updating `graceful-fs` in Gulp v3.
+
+@chalker: Old version of `graceful-fs` now includes its own message that it will be broken in Node v7. Would be best to live up to our commitment.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Myles to follow up with Gulp about changes in v3, notify CTC as appropriate.
+* Finalize decision next week.
+
+---
+
+### proposal: WHATWG URL standard implementation [#28](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/28)
+
+Should `url` be a global or not?
+@jasnell: To start let’s just not make it a global.
+
+@jasnell: No need to include this in v6; include in master and in v7.
+
+First step is to decide to land this as an EP in Node-EPs. Then, consider implementation.
+
+@evanlucas: Will the similarity of these cause confusion?
+`require(‘url’).Url` and `require(‘url’).URL`.
+
+@jasnell: best answer is I’m not sure yet.
+
+@jasnell: We’ll move forward on the EP without the global.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Remove global then land EP.
+* Continue work/review on impl.
+
+---
+
+### errors: add internal/errors module [#6573](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6573)
+
+@jasnell: This begins the process of changing errors implementation so that changes to their text are not semver-major.
+
+Do we want this to land in v7? If we do, it needs to be complete by the end of August.
+
+@Fishrock123: think about whether we can keep the syntax similar between js and c++.
+
+@jasnell: if additional work is needed for C errors we should not rush it.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Review in GitHub.
+* Finalize next week.
+
+---
+
+### Introduce staging branch for stable release streams [#6306](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/6306)
+
+@thealphanerd: If we had a staging branch we’d avoid blocking releases due to problematic commits.
+
+@Fishrock123: You can already stage to `v6.x` but usually people don’t do that.
+
+@thealphanerd: Since it has the same function as `staging` it would be good to name them similarly.
+
+@bnoordhuis: it’s confusing that there are different ways to get PRs backported in different branches.
+
+@Fishrock123: Actual practices are not likely to change.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Continue discussion in GH.
+* Keep on agenda.
+
+---
+
+### discussion: CommonJS and ES6 modules interoperability (see <https://gist.github.com/bmeck/52ee45e7c34d1eac44ce8c5fe436d753>)
+
+@bmeck:
+
+* Cannot match babel’s semantics.
+* Cannot support named imports from CJS modules.
+
+We cannot match babel’s semantics so whatever happens in the future, at a minimum people who use babel to compile will have to change to use whatever Node is using for ES modules.
+
+There’s no real way for us to support named imports from CJS modules, so these will be imported as the `default` property only, so people will not be able to use just `readFile` from `fs`.
+
+Those 2 breakages mean we have to rethink this. First route was to match babel.
+
+@bmeck proposes Node does a hard break. Remove most of Node’s magic names.
+
+We’ll need a separate WHATWG `registry` object
+
+@bmeck: New features are going to be targeting the module grammar exclusively. For example, `await` is not a keyword in the script grammar and if it’s treated that way it’s a language extension. TC39 considers `script` somewhat legacy.
+
+**Next steps**:
+
+* Schedule a session specifically on modules.
+
+---
+
+## Q/A on public fora
+
+Q: Regarding WHATWG URL, how will updates be handled - major, minor, bug fix?
+
+@jasnell: Still need to figure out process. Currently monitoring WHATWG to get a sense of their process. If their change is semver-major ours would presumably also be.
+
+## Upcoming Meetings
+
+* CTC: 2016-08-17
+* TSC: 2016-08-11
+* Build: Sept
+* LTS: Sept
+* Diagnostics: Sept
+* Post-Mortem: Sept
+* API: Sept