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doc: add CTC meeting minutes 2016-09-07 

PR-URL: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8499
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# Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-09-07
## Links
* **Audio Recording**: TBP
* **GitHub Issue**: [#8425](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8425)
* **Minutes Google Doc**: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GRgBC5Dv5luqlRc6egtxmkrQULJXa3M3CqGqWfoogV8>
* _Previous Minutes Google Doc_: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qYUOfiiytaZ0-YZVZ1NZX9O-4SE28QNooapOdcjlPqA>
## Present
* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
* Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation)
* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
* Julien Gilli @misterdjules (CTC)
* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC)
* Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google)
* Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU)
* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC)
* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)
## Standup
* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
* Issues & PR review
* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
* Just emails around modules
* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
* Some private ecosystem things
* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
* opened PR for adding back --harmony-proxies flag, not much else
* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
* Working on v6.6.0
* issue & PRs, Async_Wrap review, some Timers PRs.
* Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC)
* Reviewing PRs & Fixing bugs (sorry for not joining you today)
* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
* Issues and PRs
* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
* Investigating and PRs to move AIX to green in CI
* Migration to new set of PPC machines
* Addition of linuxOne to nightlies
* Moved API work to nodejs/abi-stable-nodenodejs/abi-stable-node-addons-examples
* presentations for Node Interactive EU
* Brian White @mscdex (CTC)
* Worked on finding improvements in http code
* Commented on issues, reviewed PRs
* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
* Wrangle some V8 backports.
* Looking at performance w/ new ignition interpreter
* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC)
* Raspberry Pi cluster hardware problems, blog post
* Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google)
* V8 team working on Ignition interpreter and V8 Inspector migration
* Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU)
* PRs.
* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC)
* Auditing commits for v4.x
* Modifying output of testrunner
* preparing for interactive EU
* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
* AsyncHook (formerly known as AsyncWrap); update embedder API to improve performance
* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)
* Backporting a few small commits to v4.x
* Updating Build and Onboarding docs based on contributor mentoring and onboarding activities
* A few test PRs designed to increase test coverage
## Agenda
Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting.
### nodejs/node
* src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395)
### nodejs/node-eps
* AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18)
## Previous Meeting Review
* Process for determining supported platforms [#8265](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8265)
* Build WG will prepare initial list of supported platforms in their next meeting.
* Then CTC will review and decide next steps.
* child_process, win: fix shell spawn with AutoRun [#8063](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8063)
* Remove from CTC agenda.
* @joshgav to check for opinions within Microsoft.
* Ask @joaocgreis in GitHub for more explanation.
* fs: undeprecate existsSync; use access instead of stat for performance [#7455](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7455)
* @trott to ping nodejs/collaborators in that thread. If no response then [fix].
* doc: add Google Analytics tracking. [#6601](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6601)
* Merge!
* Introduce staging branch for stable release streams [#6306](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/6306)
* Do this as proposed.
* Move ecosystem detection tool to nodejs org [#7935](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7935)
* Prep repo for migration.
* Open issue in nodejs/tsc.
* AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18)
* Trevor to update all code and ask for vote on specific item(s).
* CTC to review again once complete.
## Minutes
### src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395)
We upgraded to V8 5.1 in v6.5. That removed several flags, notably the --harmony-* flags. Many in the ecosystem have hard-coded these flags and as a result are getting errors since v6.5.
@evanlucas added a PR to no-op those flags. There was quite a bit of resistance to that, as it implies that we apply semver semantics to experimental features.
@addaleax: Does anyone have concrete reason to not no-op these flags?
@trott: For clarity, do we mean to no-op them till the next semver-major release?
@addaleax: Yes.
@Fishrock123: This would only ever land in v6.
@evanlucas: Some feel this should be floated on V8.
@trevnorris: Could they?
@ofrobots: Trivial to do it, but this is on 5.1 which is an abandoned upstream.
@trevnorris: We were told we could re-open abandoned branches?
@ofrobots: That’s correct.
@? : Were the flags removed because their behavior is V8's default?
@ofrobots: Yes, support was already there but flags had not yet been removed.
@? : Other flags were removed too.
@addaleax: Main issue is the --harmony flags, I haven’t seen the other flags as issues.
@ofrobots: I’m supportive of adding no-ops for --harmony flags cause they break the ecosystem. Others no.
@Fishrock123: What about strong mode flags?
@ofrobots: Mainstream users are not likely to be using strong mode flags.
@ofrobots: The ones recommended as no-ops I agree should be added back as no-ops.
@rvagg: We can adopt a new policy if we want, for example state that when we upgrade V8 flags may change and you have to do feature detection to address that.
@addaleax: Seems to be that’s what some people want in comments, but it seems that it might not be what people expect.
@rvagg: Many flags unlikely to be used in real code, but some may be used in production code. Ones that are potentially usable in production code, sure.
@trevnorris: Let’s re-add the no-ops and see if people raise issues about the others.
It would be more pure to backport in V8, but I don’t see why floating it in Node would be an issue.
@addaleax: @bnoordhuis was strongly -1 on floating a patch on V8, but didn’t give a reason.
@misterdjules: what do we mean by floating a patch?
@trevnorris: we don’t even have to let these through to V8, just catch it ourselves.
@Fishrock123: That would be harder.
@ChALkeR: perhaps warn in runtime on unsupported flags for next major?
@rvagg: Colin and Ben had negative positions.
Is proposal to ask Ali to move forward in V8?
@addaleax: Not expecting a definite decision, hoping to hear from people who are -1. Would be happy if someone put together a PR with all the flags we want to no-op and discuss in next meeting if necessary.
@trev: How long to get a patch on the V8 branch?
@ofrobots: Probably not too long, dependent on me finding a half hour.
This will be a patch we float on our downstream of V8 5.1. We are the de facto owners of this branch now.
@rvagg: Open a PR, move discussion there, people with negatives can expand on them there.
**Next steps**:
* @ofrobots to float a patch on our branch of V8 5.1 and open a PR. Discussion to continue there.
* Keep on agenda for next week just in case.
### AsyncWrap public API proposal [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18)
@trevnorris: EP is near 100% ready, only thing likely to change is the native C++ API but after doing testing and implementation it’s where it needs to be for all of the goals set for it.
@rvagg: We need to sign off on the EP. Can’t do that today, right?
@trevnorris: No, but EP is there. I’ve updated it with code, examples, stuff like that.
@rvagg: Will there be changes in node-eps#18 between now and next week?
@trevnorris: No, unless some major change comes in.
@trevnorris: No docs yet, Bradley has volunteered.
@rvagg: There will eventually be a discussion of backporting to V4.
@trevnorris: Discussion continues on promise side.
@rvagg: cause we don’t have insight into the microtask queue?
@trevnorris: Yes. It’s proceeding.
@seththompson: V8 team is interested in helping with this. Looks like async/await won’t make cut for v7, gives us more time to work on the right thing here.
**Next steps**:
* Everyone read [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18).
* Vote next week on Node-EP.
* Open a PR for implementation in nodejs/node.
### Modules
@bmeck: There were several concerns about the rewritten EP for ES6 module compat. Note that we haven’t merged that yet, people are welcome to comment in that issue.
@rvagg: Those who are concerned should definitely get in touch with Bradley (@bmeck).
## Q/A on public channels
* Thanks for the heads-up on async/await.
## Upcoming Meetings
* CTC: 2016-09-14
* TSC: 2016-09-08
* Benchmarking: [Benchmarking#56](https://github.com/nodejs/benchmarking/issues/56)
* Build: 2016-09-20
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